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Originally Posted by Truth-Bringer
To use Alexander Hamilton as a representative for the Founding Fathers is simply not legitimate in any way, shape or form. Hamilton was at odds with most of the principle Founders on a number of key issues.
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To heap praise upon praise upon the Founders and then totally trash and discount one of the principal founders of the Constitution, shows that one does not actually value the founders at all. It shows hypocrisy and that one is not even consistent with ones own words. Your simultaneous elevation of the founders and disregarding of one of the most influential founders shows that your argument is hypocritical and not to be believed. You use the founders as a cheap talking point, and when you say how great they are, I don't even believe that this is sincere.
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Originally Posted by Truth-Bringer
Again, you're cherry picking.
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That's a pretty hypocritical remark coming from someone who not only cherry-picks the comments made by the founders, but the actual founders themselves. You disregard not only the comments that are inconvenient for your political agenda, but also the actual founders themselves (Hamilton) when inconvenient.
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Originally Posted by Truth-Bringer
First of all, there is a conflict of interest with your source - it is a government source justifying more government power. Imagine that...
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You now are saying that my source is invalid because it's a teacher's resource, and teachers are government employees and the government conspiracy theory makes it all lies.
You've basically invalidated everything you've said as nothing more than paranoid conspiracy theories. You can rest on your conspiracy theories, I'll rest on the words of the founders: Madison, Hamilton, Washington and other constitutional delegates who advocated and built a standing army.
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Originally Posted by Truth-Bringer
They don't trump Madison or Jefferson.
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They trump your claim about the Founders opposing a standing army, which has been shown to be false. Also, given that Madison supported and personally ordered the growth of the standing army to fight the British and attempt to conquer Canada in 1812 as President further falsifies your claims.
Your claim about Jefferson is ignorant. Jefferson was in Europe during the Constitutional Convention.
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Originally Posted by Truth-Bringer
The quote refutes itself. Washington says it in 1776. He states the militia "will, in my opinion prove (if the scheme is adhered to) the Ruin of our Cause." (He also states his opinions at that time are "formed from the present view of things.")
He was wrong. America prevailed - and in large part because of their unorthodox tactics. What were his actions after he became President? Did they match his words? No. He did not take action to disband the militia or set up a permanent standing army outside of implied Constitutional bounds.
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Wrong on two counts. If the quote refutes itself, then you are saying that a founder is wrong, which runs contrary to your deification of them. Even if you're right, you're wrong. Secondly, Washington relied upon both the Continental Army and militia, so you haven't shown that America prevailed due mainly to the strength of the militia (as opposed to a strengthening army and support from the French).
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Originally Posted by Truth-Bringer
We can consider the alleged refutations de-bunked and invalid.
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One thing we can consider is that your comments are conspiracy theories. You tipped your hand when you mentioned that a comment made from a teacher's website is essentially government propaganda. That essentially shows that you believe in Illuminati-style conspiracy theories.