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Originally Posted by Santa_Claus
There are no atheists. God built into everyone knowledge of His existence. There are only those who believe in God and obey Him and those who believe in God and don't obey Him. Faith simply means obedience, there is no other possible meaning.
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Let me get this straight than, i really, really, believe in god but i just don't obey him. damn, you have me all figured out. You know me so well, why do i even bother trying to lie about this anymore.
I dont know where you got that definition of faith, but, for all the years i've been alive, i know of no other meaning than faith meaning believing in something when you have no proof. its is belief WITHOUT proof.
In order to lead, you must first learn how to follow.
I'm not going to lie, i dont generally like this god of yours. but thats only based on that fact that it might exist, not that i believe it to exist. with every fiber of my being i doubt the existance of this god of yours and so help me god, i will not lie down so easily in this dirt while you pretend to know why i am who i am and why i am an atheist. there may be a contradiction in there somewhere, but hell, at least its less than that of your bible.
You people talk of proof, but the only proof that you mr. Claus and mrnumbersman seem to have is circular logic. you use scripture to prove the evidence of your god. but you can't prove something with that sort of logic.
When we all die we will know the truth but at the moment i'm not going to equate the wonders of this universe to the workings of a divine being, especially one in which its own followers dont truly follow.
I'm an atheist because i doubt the existence of your god, and all other gods. Not because i just dont agree with god, because hell, he does have some good points. but this whole divine worship shit, doesnt stick so well with me. neither does all this we supposibly have free will, but in the end we have to accept god or burn in hell for eternity. not so free, are we.
but let me get back to my point. You religious folk seem to enjoy posting scripture passages and make yourself feel bigger than you are, say theres proof out there but us atheists dont want to see it. that fact of the matter is this, we are looking for proof, but not just proof of your god. were looking for the proof of everything out there, how the universe is the way it is, why were here, why the universe is expanding, are we the only ones here, , etc, etc. we doubt your gods existance, like you doubt other gods existance.
but were not blind. you see, the only blind ones here are those which cant see the forest through the trees.