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Originally Posted by Truth-Bringer
Straw Man. The founders didn't foresee that the larger body wouldn't protect their vision. They thought that their vision would be maintained if they kept the power out of the hands of one man.
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OK, your argument is a strawman. Your argument is so weak and illogical that it's as easy to beat as a strawman. Thus far, your quotes from the Founders have not demonstrated your central premise, and you undermine your own argument by criticizing the founders because they "didn't forsee that the larger body wouldn't protect their vision" while at the same time trying to use their words to support the vision you have been advocating here. You use the Founders for what you're promoting here and then quietly undercut them by saying how they lacked vision.
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Originally Posted by Truth-Bringer
In short, yes, they do. The Founders would have never supported today's foreign policy. And they certainly didn't favor losing liberty due to fighting a foreign enemy. They certainly would have never favored the Patriot Act and other such nonsense. They would have understood that the U.S. is being attacked for things the U.S. government has done overseas.
Why were hostages taken in the U.S. embassy in Iran in the 70's? It wasn't because they "hated us for our wealth and freedom" and just decided to attack the U.S. embassy one day.
It was because in Iran, in 1953, the CIA overthrew the democratically elected leader so that British Petroleum could maintain rights to the oil. The oil nationalization bill passed unanimously in the Iranian Parliament. I don't believe in socialist policies - however - that was what their democracy decided. The Shah - the U.S. puppet - had a secret police force that made several people "disappear." And that was the spark that caused the Iranian hostage crisis at the U.S. embassy. Not because they just woke up one day and decided to "hate us for our wealth and freedom."
The CIA's own report, which you can see in the documentary "Why We Fight," stated that the United States should expect "blowback" - meaning violent retaliation - for its role in the coup.
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The U.S. has been sticking its nose in the Middle East for quite some time. It's actions have led to the imprisonment, torture and/or death of innocent people there. And that leads their surviving friends and family to seek revenge. |
Since you are resorting to insults about how people who do not acknowledge this are dishonest, I will not reply to this section. You have been given a warning in private messages about implied insults.
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