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Old 04-08-2008, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by W.E.B. Du Bois View Post
You disprove your own argument. You try to make your argument by using quotes of the founders and then go on to say that what you are saying is right based upon what the Founders "didn't foresee".
Straw Man. The founders didn't foresee that the larger body wouldn't protect their vision. They thought that their vision would be maintained if they kept the power out of the hands of one man.

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In short, the quotes you provide do not reinforce your central premise: "America's Founders were opposed to intervention and pre-emptive wars."
In short, yes, they do. The Founders would have never supported today's foreign policy. And they certainly didn't favor losing liberty due to fighting a foreign enemy. They certainly would have never favored the Patriot Act and other such nonsense. They would have understood that the U.S. is being attacked for things the U.S. government has done overseas.

Why were hostages taken in the U.S. embassy in Iran in the 70's? It wasn't because they "hated us for our wealth and freedom" and just decided to attack the U.S. embassy one day.

It was because in Iran, in 1953, the CIA overthrew the democratically elected leader so that British Petroleum could maintain rights to the oil. The oil nationalization bill passed unanimously in the Iranian Parliament. I don't believe in socialist policies - however - that was what their democracy decided. The Shah - the U.S. puppet - had a secret police force that made several people "disappear." And that was the spark that caused the Iranian hostage crisis at the U.S. embassy. Not because they just woke up one day and decided to "hate us for our wealth and freedom."

The CIA's own report, which you can see in the documentary "Why We Fight," stated that the United States should expect "blowback" - meaning violent retaliation - for its role in the coup.

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The U.S. has been sticking its nose in the Middle East for quite some time. It's actions have led to the imprisonment, torture and/or death of innocent people there. And that leads their surviving friends and family to seek revenge.

Last edited by W.E.B. Du Bois : 04-08-2008 at 06:12 PM. Reason: implied insult removed
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