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Originally Posted by mrnumbersman
Something that has been excluded here, or maybe spoken of 9 pages ago, is faith. For one to understand that God exists one must have faith. I know you resident atheists are going to jump all over that because you have no faith. You declare that those of us who do have faith are weak. Or God is some sort of compilation of beliefs, etc. You believe what you want to believe.
Faith, you must understand is not science. It can't be explained by science nor can it be explained away by science. Faith exists outside the realm of science. God exists outside the realm of science. Oh sure you can explain parts of creation through science but not all aspects.
There are alternate views to evolution and the big bang. That is not what this is all about. It is about the very existence of God. Having been through the many trials that I have been through and many others who have had it much worse than me, it has been my faith in God that has brought me through it. Call it a crutch if you want. You do not understand what faith truly is.
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Are you talking to me? well, are you.
The thing with faith is just that, its uncommited devotion to something you can't see, touch, feel, or and most importantly, prove. It requires taking something at face value, judging a book by its cover, believing when all else goes against it.
The thing with proof is, is you have to be able to accept that your wrong on certain things, on your faith. And i dont think you can handle the truth mrnumbersman
I don't think your able to look the other way and open up the book, to see that the cover is just that, a cover, which by many rights doesnt give a full picture of the entire book.
You put your faith behind something you said yourself can't exist. Now, the church has proven to be wrong before, and will continue to be proven wrong. Instead of taking a position behind science you place your faith in god and say science doesnt exist, that the forces of nature and the laws of physics are wrong.
I'm not saying im 100% right my friend. On the spectrum of Strong Atheist and Weak Atheist im more of a moderate atheist, understandable of other peoples faith and beliefs but still ready to defend myself like a fundementalist right zealot against those crazy religious, hooligans.
Your free to your belief my friend, just don't expect me to back down so easily when you try and prove your god with circular reasoning or by saying he doesnt need explanation, that he just is. You offer up faith, i offer up facts and proof.