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Originally Posted by Chesty Puller
Yes that would beat the so called "hacks" in TIME magazine I referenced. While you look that up I will try and compile a list of the hundreds of MILLION Christians which will of course beat your handful of scientific hacks.
As I recall you and I agreed to disagree since our arguments had become circular at best. You for a fact can not prove unequivocally that there is no God. I can not prove unequivocally that there is a God, I just have my faith in God and you have your faith in science and evolution. In Chess we call this a stalemate.
My discussion now is with someone else because neither of us is going to convince or change the mind of the other Caltex, I still have hopes for some of these other guys.
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A million Christians who have not studied the beginnings of life with a analysts approach doesn't mean anything, there are also a few million people who think the sun revolves around the earth. One does not have to prove there is no god to prove evolution occurred. I don't have faith in anything that cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. The fact of evolution has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Any doubts about the fact that it occurred now, are illogical delusions to hold onto the orthodox teachings of a 2,000 year old faith. No Evolution does not disprove a deity (you can't prove a negative), but it does show that the bible is wrong, or that it is allegorical at best, and is not a reliable source of information.
You still have hopes that others will blindly accept a belief structure based on no reason, and that they will reject the cold hard facts? Anyone who denies the cold hard facts that prove evolution, but accepts the existence of a deity without any evidence are being completely illogical. It's a double standard, either one has faith in things without evidence, or one is a skeptic and needs proof first. To have faith in the unproven, then deny the proven is insanity.
This whole debate is EXACTLY like the debate a few hundred years ago about our place in the universe. The Church orthodoxy held that the earth was the center of the universe. Scientific observation showed this to be untrue, but the churches held onto it. Finally they could not ignore the evidence anymore, and admitted to being wrong (A few hundred years later), and that our solar system is Heliocentric. The fact that evolution is how life came to be, like how we revolve around the sun, is insurmountable. We still have people our there who deny the evidence, because they want to hold onto their belief structure. Eventually the Churches will give up, and accept the truth into their orthodoxy and say all the creationist stuff in the bible is allegorical. Many Christians have already done so.