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Old 04-05-2008, 11:07 PM   #116 (permalink)
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Christians do not stone women your confusing us with some Muslim cultures and traditions. And the eye for an eye bit went out with Moses. When Jesus came to us he said "Love one another as I have loved you". He also said vengeance is for god alone and "Turn the other Cheek" (which does mean Christians have to be punching bags). We live under a new covenant today under Jesus Christ, those things are no longer binding. As far as evolution goes read on this from Michael Behe quoted from Time magazine (Link included below)

"MICHAEL BEHE
Biochemistry professor, Lehigh University; Senior fellow, Discovery Institute

Sure, it's possible to believe in both God and evolution. I'm a Roman Catholic, and Catholics have always understood that God could make life any way he wanted to. If he wanted to make it by the playing out of natural law, then who were we to object? We were taught in parochial school that Darwin's theory was the best guess at how God could have made life.

I'm still not against Darwinian evolution on theological grounds. I'm against it on scientific grounds. I think God could have made life using apparently random mutation and natural selection. But my reading of the scientific evidence is that he did not do it that way, that there was a more active guiding. I think that we are all descended from some single cell in the distant past but that that cell and later parts of life were intentionally produced as the result of intelligent activity. As a Christian, I say that intelligence is very likely to be God.

Several Christian positions are theologically consistent with the theory of mutation and selection. Some people believe that God is guiding the process from moment to moment. Others think he set up the universe from the Big Bang to unfold like a computer program. Others take scientific positions that are indistinguishable from those atheist materialists might take but say that their nonscientific intuitions or philosophical considerations or the existence of the mind lead them to deduce that there is a God.

I used to be part of that last group. I just think now that the science is not nearly as strong as they think."

Can You Believe in God and Evolution? - TIME


You can quote one scientist who denies evolution, but that doesn't make it true. There is overwhelming consensus that it has occured. The debate is now between gradual evolution or punctuated equilibrium evolution.

Beyond that biochemistry is not evolutionary biology, his mastery is not in the study of evolution but in Biochemistry, the study of chemical processes in living organisms.

Here is what Christians are doing, they have a preconceived notion of a god, that created man. They see the evidence, then try to make their preconceived notion work. The notion is not based off of what the facts show, but off of the beliefs already held. It's just like the old Greek Philosophers and their models of the Universe. They all had Aristotle's notions of uniform motion if their heads, and tried to make their observations of the Universe match their preconceived notions. The Catholic Church adopted Aristotle's viewpoint and persecuted anyone who challenged that with Heresy. With a Scientific viewpoint, that goes in without preconceived notions, or is at least ready to throw them out if the facts reject them, we now know the earth revolves around the sun, and that our universe is a whole lot bigger than our solar system.

The facts show natural evolution. The debate is how that evolution occurs. The "Theory of Evolution" is that it occurs by natural selection. Evolution is a fact, how it occurs is a theory.

I could look up and name a few hundred thousand scientists who believe in evolution. Does that beat a handful of hacks that can be thrown out by creationists.
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