Chesty Puller

That gets right back into free will in my humble opinion. God gave us the ability to either follow his commandments or we can chose to disregard them.
As far as Bush goes I am not going to discuss him in this thread, that would seriously derail this.

I assume you are referring to this document? We Remember: A Reflection on the Shoah? The apology in that document said nothing about a pope siding with Hitler, because no pope ever did side with Hitler. That document discussed the history of Jewish-Christian relations. It did contain an apology, but not of the sort you are getting at. It quoted Pope John Paul II's letter Tertio Millennio Adveniente saying:

"It is appropriate that, as the Second Millennium of Christianity draws to a close, the Church should become more fully conscious of the sinfulness of her children, recalling all those times in history when they departed from the spirit of Christ and his Gospel and, instead of offering to the world the witness of a life inspired by the values of faith, indulged in ways of thinking and acting which were truly forms of counter-witness and scandal".

But the idea that any pope sided with Hitler in his anti-Semitism is absurd.
I would definetly want to see some concrete proof on that statement.

As I understood it (I will do some digging on this), they took a stance of No Involvement. I think it is also important to note that many million Catholics died during this conflict.

Understand I am not catholic but that statement was shocking to me. I will do some additional research on this matter. In the meantime can you toss me some links that support this so I could read further?





I will indeed watch this but my point is still valid and I think you can agree with my logic here religious people do not corner the market on polluting. Keep in mind also a small segment of Christians do not equal the whole anymore then one bad apple spoils the bunch or one bad president makes all Americans evil.

Again I say to you on this point with respect that this over all is a very small portion of the Christian population. As far as virgin sacrifices or rapes I think I can guarantee you that is not a Christian thing to do and no true mentally sound Christian would do it, so lets remove that segment from the equation as well please.



Not all Christians are against Genetic Manipulation some of us see it as using what God gave to us and exercising our free will to live better lives.



No argument here that was a very dark period for the Church and Humanity and one of the main reasons I am happy for the division between church and state.

Christians do not stone women your confusing us with some Muslim cultures and traditions. And the eye for an eye bit went out with Moses. When Jesus came to us he said "Love one another as I have loved you". He also said vengeance is for god alone and "Turn the other Cheek" (which does mean Christians have to be punching bags). We live under a new covenant today under Jesus Christ, those things are no longer binding. As far as evolution goes read on this from Michael Behe quoted from Time magazine (Link included below)

"MICHAEL BEHE
Biochemistry professor, Lehigh University; Senior fellow, Discovery Institute

Sure, it's possible to believe in both God and evolution. I'm a Roman Catholic, and Catholics have always understood that God could make life any way he wanted to. If he wanted to make it by the playing out of natural law, then who were we to object? We were taught in parochial school that Darwin's theory was the best guess at how God could have made life.

I'm still not against Darwinian evolution on theological grounds. I'm against it on scientific grounds. I think God could have made life using apparently random mutation and natural selection. But my reading of the scientific evidence is that he did not do it that way, that there was a more active guiding. I think that we are all descended from some single cell in the distant past but that that cell and later parts of life were intentionally produced as the result of intelligent activity. As a Christian, I say that intelligence is very likely to be God.

Several Christian positions are theologically consistent with the theory of mutation and selection. Some people believe that God is guiding the process from moment to moment. Others think he set up the universe from the Big Bang to unfold like a computer program. Others take scientific positions that are indistinguishable from those atheist materialists might take but say that their nonscientific intuitions or philosophical considerations or the existence of the mind lead them to deduce that there is a God.

I used to be part of that last group. I just think now that the science is not nearly as strong as they think."

Can You Believe in God and Evolution? - TIME




Fair enough.

This was not my intention I found the initial remarks to be rather inflammatory and generally lacking substance and I called those remarks into question. I am debating the issues and calling them into dispute, I however am not and will not attack you personally.

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