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And by the way, only someone that is insecure needs someone to lean on. Why are all of those that believe in god so insecure that they cannot find fulfillment within themselves?
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It is human nature to believe in the divine, is it human nature to want something more knowing you have a finite amount of time "Alive". Does this mean God is make believe because we all know we are mortal, I do not think so. Do you think 90% of the world all suffer from some mass form of delusional hysteria because they believe in a God?
"One of the most far-reaching consequences of the rationalism of the Enlightenment was the undermining of basic Christian faith among the educated classes. The effect was unintended because the project of many Enlightenment philosophers was to prove the existence of God using reason: Descartes and Leibniz assumed that God's existence could be rationally proved, indeed God was a necessary part of their philosophy. "
As far as the argument God and morals do not belong together. I like what Kant had to say on this; "Kant attempted to show how philosophy could prove the existence of God. Unfortunately, for him his previous work showed that we could not know reality directly as thing-in-itself. What is real in itself is beyond our experience. Even if God exists, we can not know God as he really is.
For Kant the Christian could have faith in God, and this faith would be consonant with reason and the categorical imperative. Given that human beings have the autonomy to create moral values, it would not be irrational to believe in a God who gives purpose to the moral realm.
Again here God "Gives Purpose to the moral Realm".. That is a powerful statement.
"Søren Kierkegaard agreed with Kant that the existence of God could not be proven by reason. However Kierkegaard did not think that it was rational to believe in God, rather
one should have faith in God even if this seems to reason to be absurd. To put it another way reason has no place in faith. God is beyond reason.
Kierkegaard is regarded as the first existentialist. "
TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. PRESUPPOSITIONALIST (I)
(1) If reason exists then God exists.
(2) Reason exists.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
COSMOLOGICAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. FIRST CAUSE ARGUMENT (I)
(1) If I say something must have a cause, it has a cause.
(2) I say the universe must have a cause.
(3) Therefore, the universe has a cause.
(4) Therefore, God exists
ARGUMENT FROM MULTIPLICITY (V)
(1) There exists a web page
Hundreds of Proofs of God’s Existence
(This site is where a few of these quotes come from)
(2) That page has hundreds of purported proofs of the existence of God.
(3) They can't all be wrong.
(4) Therefore, God exists.
Read this site its a quick read..
A HELP IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT GOD IS - Does God Exist?
"Now the reason that I have told you this little story is to give you a foundation by which you can understand God. When you read, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Genesis 1:1), you are reading a description analogous to Flatland. The concept is that, a God, who is in a higher dimension than are we, a God who has the same kind of relationship to us which the sphere had to Flatland, that, this kind of being touched our little "Flatland," so to speak, and in violation of all of our laws of science created matter out of nothing. God is so superior to us, he exists in such a higher dimension than do we that what is natural and ordinary to him is miraculous to us. The Bible recognizes this concept and uses it in every single description of God. "
Read this as well "Why I left Atheism"
Why I Left Atheism
I still think Descartes said it best and I am going to assume even atheist will credit this man with being supremely gifted on an intellectual level.
Descartes' Proof for the Existence of God
You have likely heard that it is impossible to prove that God exists. You have heard wrong. Not only can the existence of God be proven, denying the proof undermines rational thought. It is true that God does not need anyone, let alone this website, to prove His existence. The Bible teaches that the existence of God is so obvious that we are without excuse for denying it. No one needs proof that God exists, I simply offer these 8 steps to the logical proof of God's existence in addition to what you already know (and may be suppressing).
last but not least I leave you with this website 8 reasons why God does exist.
Proof That God Exists: welcome
I have read everything you have had to say about the non existence of God if we are to debate this further I request you read all of my post as well as the links, respectfully. Because until we truly understand one anothers points we can in reality not debate any further. Without the willingness to see each others points, this is at best an exercise in futility. I am a former Atheist myself so I feel I am qualified to have this discussion with you since I know where your coming from.
I look forward to our continued discourse on this issue.