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its funny because if all what you say is true why have great men fallen great kingdoms fallen when they had deny God, you guys seem to forget that science and God go together there is no seperation God is and will always be while everthing else has a death attached to it. A being that created all that we see and you really think that God himself is created??? If you are a scientist then plainly you can see that there is a creating force behind all of this. Even behind the big bang there was a creating force behind it which caused it to happen. Many scientist start off being an atheist then turn around after further studing a reconize that there is a creating force out there which leads them to accept that it is God, but this is the thinking on a high level to not believe in a creting force is low level scientific thinking.
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