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Okay, I accept your challenge.
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I'm not the one to whom you were referring, but I'll address you point by point anyways. Hopefully, I will be a friendlier opponent than some others
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I'm pathetic? You would rather go to hell than even though when you die you will see St.Peter at the Pearly Gates. By the way, death is too late to change your mind.
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If God is so childish and downright ignorant to send someone to Hell simply for not believing in him--especially given the fact that he provided us no evidence of his existence--then yes, I will gladly go to Hell. Fuck whatever God would do that.
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Mulitiple gods were invented to explain all things, while Christians and Jews have accepted that not all things can be explained, and that there are things that we will never understand until we reach Heaven and obtain a perfect state.
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Christians and Jews accepted that "lack of explainability" for many things that
are now explainable. Fact of the matter is, as science understands more, God enters the picture less. Yes, there are things science will assuredly never understand, and that is why God has retreated to them: the beginning of the universe, etc.
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Yes, they refer to the same God in a sense, but the interpretations of God are very different. The Koran says that everyone must be converted are killed. I know that only extreme Musilums follow this, but the point stands: would the God that would send His Only Son to be ruthlessly tourtured mentally, physically, and spiritually, to save ALL mankind, would tell His people to kill? No. God is merciful. He loves all, even if they don't love him. That's right, ResidentAthiest, God loves you.
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If God loves me, why does he threaten to send me to Hell?
Also, I'm no defender of Islam (I hate it more even than Christianity/Judaism), but I believe the Bible says at a few points to stone women lying with men out of wedlock and a few other passages. Not to mention, Yahweh gives the Israelites free license to kill certain peoples, such as the Canaanites. Criticisms of Islam on the grounds you provided work just as well against C/J, my friend.
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Give me a reason why you believe God does not exist, I'll show you how your wrong.
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There is no evidence to support God's existence. Prove me wrong.
Most reasonable atheists accept that this is the only reason to not believe in God. The reason to believe in God, and I think most Christians would agree with this, is on faith--one simply has faith in God, something beyond all logic and empiricism. This is fine--we just don't share that faith.
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Many Christians believe in the Big Bang Theory and the like. We understand that the story of Adam and Eve was writen when people had no concept of billions of years. As God lives in all time and all space, His seven days may be billions of years. All Christains agree that no matter how the would came about, God ordered it that way, and we will never know for sure while on earth how the universe came about.
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Yes, many of the more liberal Christians/Jews/Muslims accept scientific evidence, and accept proven scientific theories like evolution, gravity, etc.
However, many don't. This is where I take issue.
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Also, you think only ignorant people belive in God? Albert Einstien felt that the more he learned about the universe the more he felt there was some sort of Higher Being in charge of it all.
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No, he did not believe in a personal God, he believed in Spinoza's God: in other words, he was (more or less) a pantheist. Look up some quotes of his if you don't believe me... he accepted (as I do) religion as a valuable source of ethical principles and things of that nature, but did not believe in a personal God of any variety.
To claim that only dumb people believe in God is very ignorant, though, I will concur with you on that.
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You obviously don't have a clue what Hell is, do you? It is relentless pain, physically, mentally, and spiritually, FOR ALL ETERNITY.
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Doesn't this seem a littttttle out of proportion? Even the worst of men have committed only a
finite sin, and yet God (in his justice) gives them an
infinite punishment? I question the righteousness of such a God.
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It does matter. "Instruct the ignorant" is one of the spiritually works of mercy. I would never be able to look anyone in the eye again if I just ignored my duty as a Catholic.
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"Instruct the ignorant is fine," and the Catholics have contributed much to this end. The trick is to avoid pedantry, and to avoid "instruction" through belligerence. There comes a point where you must accept that others, even if you think them ignorant, will not have your views and will not budge. To continue after this has been realized--normally, it can be realized quite quickly--is to disrespect man's autonomy of thought, and become a nuisance.
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No true Christain hates. To hate any one of God's cratures is to hate God. The Bible clearly states "Love your neighbor as yourself" "Love your enemy" "Turn the other cheek" and "What you do to the least of my brothers, you do to me" the "me" being God.
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You are right. However, many, many,
many people hate under the banner of God. This is sad, but prevalent.
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I have taken a long, hard look at life. Everything I have been through has strenghten my fatith and given my the knowledge and strenght to debate with you right now.
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More power to you, and reasonable atheists do not challenge that. Those who do are as ignorant as the worst of the religious. The only thing we ask is that you do not force your beliefs on others, personally or socially (i.e. in the government).