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Old 03-21-2008, 11:58 AM
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Its makes no sense whatsoever to claim there is no God. Infact, I think its stupid to claim there is no God, the only debate is whether or not the God of the Bible is true.
Heres some pretty amazing facts about the universe which make it not only evident but obvious that God exists, be sure to click continue at the bottom because theres still more pages:
Does God Exist?
Also check out Pascal's Wager:
Pascal's Wager - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I read the Does God Exist thing and i got to the part with the premisis and I think I can argue against it.

Premise 1. Whatever begins to exist must have a cause.
Premise 2. The Universe began to exist.
Conclusion: Therefeore the Universe has a cause.

I would conversly say that a cause is a result of something that exists, that indeed has a cause. That is to say whatever caused our current state of existance, itself has a cause. Basically, there is no need to think there was ever a beggining. It, the universe, all of space, has allways existed, never started and is never going to end. In fact, I would argue against the whole idea of beggining and ends, at least of sigularities. Yes, a man may die, and that death is the end of the construct of that man as he is, but it is not neccissarily an end, since all that was that man continues to be a part of the universe. Essentialy there can only be "end" and beggining" of a state of existance, but not of existance itself. the idea of end is often wrongly used as well as the idea of beggining, for example we teach our children that a tree beggins with a seed, but that is not really true, that seed came from another tree which came from a seed, which came from a tree and so on, but we can't expect children to grasp such a continuous idea. Also, the idea of a beggining of the universe suggests that there was a before the universe at which point nothing existed. But something can't come from nothing, and if God existed to create the universe as we know it, God would be that something, What then is God? Atheists think God doesn't exist, or atleast they say that but really what they are doing is saying thay don't belive in God as it is defined by some or a specific religion, it depends on the atheist. I once considered my self an atheist, and might could still say that I don't belive in God as do Christians, at least, but I think I can prove that something Godly does exist, but bare with me I use The word God loosly:
First what is God? God is the ultimate existance. And as defined by most christians at least, God is all powerfull and all knowing. So where is there evidence of such a thing... The universe, not just the known universe, but everything that exists. When everything, all mass, all light...everything is considered as one thing (of course composed of manythings just as any living thing) then we have something that pretty much meets the common description of God. I could even say that the universe is all powerfull, since it as our environment has control of all things. But that is to imply that it has consciousness, and I wouldn't go so far as to say the universe as one is conscieous, although it is composed of beings called humans which are conscieous, (perhaps we are the universe's (God's) Brain cells, at least metaphoricly). Anyways lets go on to say the univerese/God is all knowing. But it would be like a scar made by a knife on a tree, that scar is like a memory its effect will forever be there, the tree is not conscious that it is there but it is still memorized in time, thus it is known but no known consciously. But that is a weird thought I'm not so sure it is accuratly described. Anyways I at least think that the everything is God. I think most christians fail to come to this conclusion because they personafy God, and think that since he created the universe he is not part of it. But like we humans who creat a tattoo on our arm, that tattoo is then a prat of ourselves. We argue against evolution but fail to see that if God is the universe then evolution would be God's creation, the bible may not put it that way but the bible was created by men who were scientificly limited and thus there understanding of what God is was inhibited, but now we have th eability to Understand God better. But as people often say, "you can never understand god" and then there are stories of angels being unable to see God. All of it makes perfect since in the light of God being the everything, our universe. Since how can we ever see all of the universe, if it is infinite, and how can we ever know all there is to know about this infinite universe? I guess I am kinda spueing my beliefs here, but It all seems pretty logical to me.

I'd like to add one more thing that is kinda interesting, a thought I had, If God is all knowing, then God cannot be conscious, since if you already know it all, there is nothing to think about all you can do is act, it would be like being nothing but instinct.
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