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Old 03-18-2008, 04:14 PM   #130 (permalink)
Troianii
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Originally Posted by Slartibartfas View Post
The same very harsh punishment can't be the "appropriate" punishment for everyone. Or does god punish people just becase they belong to a certain tribe, city etc rather than on what this person has done in detail?
OK, as has been said a half a dozen times (when you combine posts made by others and myself), they broke God's law and received the punishment. The Bible says that there were few that were innocent, and they were spared.

To your repeated point about unequal guilt, let me propose a situation. Let's say that the law for killing another man is death. So, what if person x kills two men? Are you going to drown him twice?

Ultimately, as has been said, they broke God's law and received the punishment for said crime, that is not unjust.



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Originally Posted by Slartibartfas View Post


I have not the slightest idea what you are talking about.
We have analyzed the "construction plan" of many species. When comparing those construction plans with each other one can identify the correlation between them. Based on this analysis one can group the species.

In further detail on many occasions scientists have already found out how by positive mutation, one gene can transform into another gene with different or enhanced functions.


If your point is that at some point one has to make assumptions, yes one has to make assumptions. But its a difference if you make some random assumptions because you like it that way, or if you make "assumptions" that are complying with good scientific practice and are not the result of some random guess but rather indicated by some damn good arguments.

To set everything assame, scientific rules or not, randomn guesses or not, and stir it around to deliver that comparision between the scientific theory of evolution on one side and creationism on the other, thats not a honest comparision.


I've put in italics what I feel is the only portion actually addresses my point which you had originally disputed, that evolution requires assumptions.

I first want to say that I think you're making the error in thinking that I'm defending creationism. I wasn't putting forth Creationism as the right idea at all, I originally said that both require assumptions, neither are proven, but I did say that evolution is a very good theory.

Secondly, ok - no "random guesses". No matter how much you or anyone else wants to disrespect ID (or evolution), neither of them are "random guesses".

As far as the comparisons not being fair, I wasn't trying to equate them. I said that they both require assumptions in order to be accepted, and they do. If it's unfair to say that, then I'm an unfair person and will say it outright.
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