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Originally Posted by Bronze Medal
I can't help but question the credentials of a doctor or research that says an fetus inside of a womb could somehow smell it's mother. How does the oder travel from the mother's skin down into the womb and pass through amiotic flud and such?
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I can't help but wonder if you have the research or backing to rebut their findings? Or maybe you have the qualifications necessary to determine that yourself? If not, then perhaps you'd like to find the material to rebut their findings. Because theories and hypotheses mean nothing at this point against research that's already been conducted.
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Originally Posted by Bronze Medal
And in the first article it says a fetus can recognise books being read to it, How? It obviously can't read, word's being read to it would be so muffled traveling through a layer of skin, fat and fluids there's no way it could recognise the story. And how do you test whether or not an infant can recognise something??!! Do they ask it, "Hey fetus, nod if you recognised that story.......oh it nodded! Success!"
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Once again, you must not have read the article very carefully. They observed behavioral responses, like you would with any newborn infant... It's no different, you see. You honestly think skin muffles words to the point of being unrecognizable? Human hearing is such that we can hear things through oak doors, and walls,
skin would not be a problem. Mothers who choose not to murder the lives they carry with them often talk to them in the womb, sing songs to them, etc. It isn't "muffled" and impossible to hear.
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Originally Posted by Bronze Medal
Sounds like rediculous pro-life propaganda to me. It doesn't sound like a scientific report.
Does it explain anywhere how they got this data and came to these conclusions?
When the article talks about personality, it says that different heartbeats and sleep patterns apperently constitute as 'personality', which they don't. Chemicles and the mother's stress level and natural development is responsible for that but your heatbeat and your sleeping patterns are not part of your personallity. Those articles (one was actually an interview on some religous website which makes me question the credibility even further) are utter bullshit.
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A report from Psychology Today sounds like "ridiculous pro-life propaganda?" Oh but of course it does--because it opposes your arguments!
I didn't see the religious affiliation of the second article until you mentioned that, I found it directly through a Google search, but all criticism aside, it's an interview with a very qualified doctor and the only reason to deny the credibility of his testimony on the absurd grounds that it's shown on a religious website would be because it accurately shows things that completely oppose your position.
There is no question that scientifically, a fetus is a human being. There is no question that your individual standards of "mental consciousness" and "mental awareness" hold no relevancy in this debate. There is no question that killing a human being--no matter how old, young, big or small--no matter how intelligent, unintelligent, "aware" or "unaware" (by one individual's standards
) for completely selfish reasons is nothing more than murder.