Originally Posted by Izzibeth

Pleasure as a "side effect" is arguable. I'm sure one could argue (probably quite thoroughly) that sex for reproduction AND pleasure are nearly equal in social species such as human beings. But we won't get into that.

People deal with the responsibilities no matter which choice they make. And being "dumb" has little to do with getting pregnant. There are a myriad of reasons and ways people could get pregnant nowadays. I, for example, have been on birth control for over 8 years and have been in a serious relationship for nearly 4 years. I am on birth control for reasons other than planning parenthood but it works all the same. Would I be considered "dumb" if my birth control failed (fell into the 1% chance)?

My boyfriend's sister's husband got a vasectomy. The doctors messed up. They now have a third child which was completely unplanned, a financial burden, and causing an INCREDIBLE amount of stress in the household (I know because I live with them.. though not for much longer, praise be His Noodly Appendage) and she had to get her tubes tied which has caused her health issues and still has not healed after 5 months. They were dumb?

Everyone has an individual story as to how they get pregnant. Everyone's reasons for keeping their pregnancy are different as are everyone's reasons for choosing to end it. It has very little to do with being "dumb".