Originally Posted by Caltex

You're spouting your subjective personal experience and beliefs. I'm trying to debate the fundamental flaws in Christian doctrine and how God cannot be both omnipotent and benevolent at the same time as he has created fundamentally flawed beings, inclined to be greedy and lazy. Virus's that wipe out populations, ailments that cause only suffering, and other forms of causing pain. This proves that the Christian god as people believe him to be does not exist. There cannot be a benevolent and omnipotent power, as this world of suffering would be the creation. Thus it can only be one or the other. Either it is benevolent, but powerless to stop the nature of pain in the world, or it is omnipotent, but created a world of pain on purpose.

On the statement "God allowed the temptation of man in the Garden" If he exists and is omnipotent, then he created man, with the fundamental flaw that would cause him to give into temptation. Not only that, but if he is omnipotent he knew that man would give into temptation before even creating him, and thus could have foreseen the problem and fixed it before even creation. This is NOT about free will, this is about the fundamental flaw in man to be greedy, and have a "grass is greener" problem.

On "God reveals himself in miraculous cures for the blind and lame as well. but it is better to enter heaven blind and lame, then hell seeing and able." This is exactly the double standards that Christianity is full of. If he is all powerful he could prevent the torment before birth, why is he to be praised for curing some blind man 2,000 years ago, as he has allowed countless people to be blind since. It's like taunting his followers "Oh I could ease your pain, but I'd rather see you suffer."

The doctrine is flawed. The Christian god cannot exist in the form the bible says him to.[/QUOTE]



These statements just go to show just how uneducated you are on christianity. How can you show the flaws in something that you dont comprehend, thats just as bad as racists, they dont like other "colors" because they dont understand the color difference....

There are no FUNDAMENTAL flaws in faith, nobody can determine what is right or wrong, good or bad, or smart or stupid for someone else to have faith in. Look back at my post from before and you will see that you have no ground to stand on when you bring someones faith into question..... religion.... okay sure.... but not someones faith.


And also..... the Bible is not necissarily to be taken literally... the words and time frames and descriptions and miracles may have in turn meant something quite different in their old language. You need to be realistic. You are saying that people with faith have their head in the clouds and that you are the one who is thinking logically because you are the one trying to relate facts and statistics to faith.....

Your ways are way more irrational than those with ANY kind of faith.. because anyone will tell you that you cannot control nor change, nor question anothers faith, until you BECOME them and live their life... And NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY.... when it comes to FAITH..... your "FACTS" and all that other crap go right out the window.