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Originally Posted by Freya*
Violence creates violence.
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Yes, if our enemies engage in violence to achieve their goals it will be met with violence.
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The terrorism we fight is linked to the foreign affairs of the US.
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How was the Bali bombing tied to the US? Indonesia? The UK?
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I'm not shure if this words mean exactly what I want to express: Civil defense.
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So your plan is to just hunker down and wait for them to come?
Originally Posted by VoiceofReason View Post
Well yes it is the right discussion, the poster brought up the fact we used it. Would it have been better if Japan had surrendered and we not have to use the A bomb yes. They refused.
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And because they don't refuse you think, "oh this is about prestige and revenge and they "force" us to do that, so we do it."
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No I think "we can invade and lose hundreds of thousands of American lives and millions of Japanese lives or we can use the weapon to put an end to it saving those lives and that destruction" Which do you choose?
Yes, definitely.
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Sophia mentioned it already.
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And in each case our goal was to make it better, it can't all be done in one step it takes little steps along the way, a constant proding and pushing. Too bad more people and countries don't support it.
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You support them as long as they play your marionette and sometimes they turn against you and then you invade the country. That's it.
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What do you have against the rest of the world having the freedoms and liberties we do?
Saddam didn't tell you where they were? That's why he's gone.
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The other way round; Bush gave the whole world the "casus belli" or name it propaganda.
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Nope Saddam did when he invade, again, one of his neighbors and an ally of ours. From that point on he was under a cease fire and served at our pleasure.
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No. The US wanted to democratize Iraq and a regime change, after Hussein didn't anymore what the US wanted.
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So you admit this war is not about imperialism. Since he had violated the cease fire and all the UN sanctions and the inspectors had reported back he still refused to cooperate.....................what was your plan?
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For shure. But that doesn't make the war better.
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It doesn't make it worse.
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First of all appeasement politic isn't pacifism.
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ROFL they are mighty close.
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Well ok. You're right, I have to choose my position. Civil defense.
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So we just hunker down and wait for them to come and then count our dead and hope there aren't a lot of them.
Was that your plan for WW2 too?
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Military actions take a higher price than peaceful ones.
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Not necessarily. Had we used military actions against Hitler early on instead of peaceful ones the price would have been far far less in both treasure and lives.
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So I would prefer always the peaceful one.
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So what is the peaceful solution with OBL? What was the peaceful solution with Saddam?
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I just wanted to say that peaceful protest can work.
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Like in Tinneman Square?
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By the way: A war is always lost.
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By one side yes.
That's not a moot point, it's a fact. Conscription and being shot as deserter...total war and the arm industry.
Ironically pacifists like Carl Ossietzky warned already in the Weimar Republic because of the "secret" remilitarization.
And that would have stopped Hitler and Japan how? Did civil defense, which was in full force at the time, stop the attack on Pearl Harbor? Was it civil defense that defeated Japan at Midway? Was it civil defense that stopped Hitler at Kursk, the Battle of the Bulge, Africa?