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Originally Posted by Freya*
Not to use the military option doesn't mean that you let them take over or do nothing at all.
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It does when they are willing to use military force to do so.
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hm. They were created by..? They get their weapons from...? We fight them with...? And they are still in Afghanistan and more were created in Iraq because of the invasion. That shows that our strategy is wrong.
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They were created by their own zealots, they get their weapons from arms dealers, we fight them with our military and itelligence resouces, they are still in Afghanistan because we shut the door to Iraq, the ones in Iraq are there to try and take over and fight us there which is better than having to fight them in the mountains of Afghanistan and we are whipping their butts in Iraq which is what we want to do.
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There is always an alternative to the military option.
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What was the alternative with Hitler and Tojo?
What is the option with the radical Islamic who want to kill you?
re: using the atomic bomb against Japan
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It would have been better. But this is not the right discussion to argue about historical moments.
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Well yes it is the right discussion, the poster brought up the fact we used it. Would it have been better if Japan had surrendered and we not have to use the A bomb yes. They refused.
Yep, there have been many cases where the US could have taken over most of the world, certainly this hemisphere, but we haven't have we.
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Honestly? Iran 1953, Iran 1979, Allende - Chile etc. etc.
Hussein - Iraq, war in the gulf, Taliban/Mujahideen - Afghanistan, Pakistan - Musharraf, Saudi Arabia.
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And in each case we were trying to get rid of an oppressor and move the country to a more democratic government and a less oppressive ruler. Sometimes that is not possible in on fell swoop it takes time and diplomacy unless we just go in with the military and take them out. In the case of Iraq Saddam gave us Casus belli.
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It is the same as it was with the Shah in Iran: It is about ("modern")imperialism. In fact: oil.
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We never tried to take over Iraq and lots of wars are fought over vital natural resources.
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There were men who let Hitler grow and those were anticommunists.
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And appeasors, those who believed war was never necessary and that even the most evil forces could be negotiated with.
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To the situation in the Third Reich: It was too late.
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You said there were ALWAYS options, now you say the situation with Hitler was too late. Well which is it?
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But there were some situations managed successful by civilians without violence.
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Sure, and some are not and some are managed by citizens soldiers.
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And the Third Reich was build on? Militarism.
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Moot point, they had to be stopped. What was your plan? Had you been Churchill or Roosevelt, what would your peaceful alternative have been?